Received: from iciiu.org (212.m62.mon.catskill.net [209.177.41.212]) by lucy.catskill.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31835; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:04:33 -0500 Message-ID: <38869737.C7280049@iciiu.org> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:03:51 -0500 From: Michael Sondow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wwebb@adni.net CC: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Subject: Re: US Domain -- You Won't Believe What they just did. References: <200001200246.VAA20415@advdata.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wwebb@adni.net wrote: > > This is VERY INTERESTING as it was the US Domain Registry > that recently refused a government related registration to this > organization and now, when a regular registration for a non-profit > corporation was submitted, they REFUSE to register the domain. > By what authority can the US Domain Registry refuse to register a > domain name for a charitable organization? I find no such > provisions in the RFC that they supposedly operate under. Please > note that whoever signs the e-mail as "US DOMAIN REGISTRY" > does not disclose their identity. Of course there's no rule that charitable orgs can't register under ..us. On the contrary, they are specifically mentioned under RFC 1480. But the whole .us situation is totally snafu. A colleague of mine was recently told he couldn't register his Community Board in New York, which is an official part of the city political organization, under .queens.ny.us. No reason given. The only explanation I can see is that the registry is no longer staffed by competent people, if it's staffed at all. This really shouldn't be too surprising, considering that it overlaps with IANA, which is in a state of utter disarray since Postel died and ICANN took over. The one temporary solution I see is to register with the subdelegated domains, and forget about trying to communicate with US dom-reg, which probably no longer exists, in reality. ============================================================ Michael Sondow I.C.I.I.U. http://www.iciiu.org Tel. (718)846-7482 Fax: (603)754-8927 ============================================================ . Received: from CJ52269A ([24.10.226.181]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <20000120051640.PCHC21783.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@CJ52269A>; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:16:40 -0800 Reply-To: From: "domainiac" To: "Michael Sondow" Cc: Subject: RE: US Domain -- You Won't Believe What they just did. Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:17:36 -0500 Message-ID: <007001bf6305$a9b1c790$b5e20a18@alex1.va.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <38869737.C7280049@iciiu.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 >A colleague of >mine was recently told he couldn't register his Community Board in >New York, which is an official part of the city political >organization, under .queens.ny.us. No reason given. I registered http://times-square.new-york.ny.us/ and got it without question and free of charge. Russ Smith . Received: from iciiu.org (212.m62.mon.catskill.net [209.177.41.212]) by lucy.catskill.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA32070 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:16:59 -0500 Message-ID: <38869A20.84990721@iciiu.org> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:16:16 -0500 From: Michael Sondow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Subject: .US domain registration site References: <200001200250.VAA20755@advdata.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try this: http://www.registerUS.com/ It's a free private registrar. ============================================================ Michael Sondow I.C.I.I.U. http://www.iciiu.org Tel. (718)846-7482 Fax: (603)754-8927 ============================================================ . Received: from e7k9e6 (adn-detroit-du1-ppp117.advdata.net [63.77.235.21]) by advdata.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA09425 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:21:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001200521.AAA09425@advdata.net> From: wwebb@adni.net To: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:18:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Does NTIA oversee the US domain ? Reply-to: wwebb@adni.net Priority: normal In-reply-to: <38869737.C7280049@iciiu.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) > The only explanation I can see is that the registry is no longer > staffed by competent people, if it's staffed at all. This really > shouldn't be too surprising, considering that it overlaps with IANA, > which is in a state of utter disarray since Postel died and ICANN > took over. At the nic.us site, there is a link to Future Management and Administration of the US Domain -- which is where we all signed-up to be on this mailing list -- and that is operated by the NTIA. So, is it the NTIA that has authority to make decisions about the US domain procedures ? . Received: from iciiu.org (212.m62.mon.catskill.net [209.177.41.212]) by lucy.catskill.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA32538; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:35:06 -0500 Message-ID: <38869E5F.F5EFB543@iciiu.org> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:34:23 -0500 From: Michael Sondow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Art and Jewelry Studio CC: "dotUS-America's ccTLD" Subject: Re: unsubscribing References: <200001192124.QAA14167@advdata.net> <002801bf62f3$039f26c0$fdf16420@kstudio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Art and Jewelry Studio wrote: > > I want to get off of this list , ---how do I do that? Give this a try: Send "unsubscribe " (without the "" ""), in the body of an email message addressed to majordomo@zephyr.isi.edu If that doesn't work, try doing the same with us-list-request@zephyr.isi.edu ============================================================ Michael Sondow I.C.I.I.U. http://www.iciiu.org Tel. (718)846-7482 Fax: (603)754-8927 ============================================================ . Received: from niue1 (user-2ivegja.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.66.106]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAB25405 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:16:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001200616.BAB25405@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Gerald W. McClurg" Organization: THC-TSG To: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:17:05 -0500 Subject: Re: REVAMPING US DOMAIN Reply-to: mcclurggw@thc-tsg.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200001200102.RAA15922@pell.portland.or.us> References: <200001192331.SAA26783@advdata.net> from "wwebb@adni.net" at Jan 19, 2000 06:27:44 PM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) It was just recently (Or will be shortly in the future) subject of a new contract let by the Department of Commerce. Part of the purpose was to clean up some of the old confusion and manner of operations. Karen Rose is the one who is in charge of that area. From: david parsons Subject: Re: REVAMPING US DOMAIN To: wwebb@adni.net Date sent: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:02:53 -0800 (PST) Copies to: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov > wwebb@adni.net wrote: > > > > I note that RFC 1480, which apparently sets forth the philosophy > > under which the US domain will be operated, has not been updated > > in nearly SEVEN YEARS. See ftp://ftp.is.co.za/rfc/rfc1480.txt Is > > it time for some updates? > > > > What person(s) or entities have the authority to change how the US > > domain will be operated? > david parsons wrote. > > Jon Postel is dead, so I suspect it's the US Government. Gerald W. McClurg Technical Advisor Niue Information Technology Committee . Received: from ix.netcom.com (user-33qseiv.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.58.95]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA28268; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:18:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3886C23E.ADE6D69B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:07:27 -0800 From: Jeff Williams Organization: INEGroup Spokesman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: david parsons CC: David Shaw , us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Subject: Re: REVAMPING US DOMAIN References: <200001200442.UAA17112@pell.portland.or.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David and all, Yes David they do, and quite well most of the time as well. I just have serious reservations about them managing anything more technically sophisticated then a a mail sorting machine, such as the .US ccTLD. >;) david parsons wrote: > Jeff Williams wrote: > > > > David and all, > > > > Yes this is essentially correct. It was originally suggested by the late > > Jon Postel which ICANN nearly worships as a religious deity now. > > Of course the idea was entirely silly. > > Why so? The US Post Office, unlike the DOC, actually performs some > non-administrative tasks. > > ____ > david parsons \bi/ I will ignore the "GOVERNMENT IS EVIL!" argument, because > \/ that argument gave us the sorry state the NSI leasespace > is in. Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 . Received: from ix.netcom.com (user-33qsdbj.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.53.115]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00709; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:47:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3886C770.AAA9451D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:29:36 -0800 From: Jeff Williams Organization: INEGroup Spokesman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wwebb@adni.net CC: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov, Becky Burr , Elloit Maxwell , William Daley Subject: Re: Does NTIA oversee the US domain ? References: <200001200521.AAA09425@advdata.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wwebb and all, In a word, Yes. Contact Becky Burr NTIA or Elliot Maxwell. Neither one of them know what they are really doing or much about registering a domain name in .US name Space, but they are in charge. >;) Their boss is Secretary of Commerce William F. Daley. And he doesn't have a clue on the specifics of .US either I am sure.. E-Mail addresses are in the CC list. Good luck and gods speed! wwebb@adni.net wrote: > > The only explanation I can see is that the registry is no longer > > staffed by competent people, if it's staffed at all. This really > > shouldn't be too surprising, considering that it overlaps with IANA, > > which is in a state of utter disarray since Postel died and ICANN > > took over. > > At the nic.us site, there is a link to Future Management and > Administration of the US Domain -- which is where we all signed-up > to be on this mailing list -- and that is operated by the NTIA. So, is > it the NTIA that has authority to make decisions about the US > domain procedures ? Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 . Received: from mkfsrv01.ssd.com by cle05.ssd.com with SMTP for us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 7:39:20 -0500 Received: FROM mkfsrv01.ssd.com BY mkfsrv01.ssd.com ; Thu Jan 20 07:38:34 2000 -0500 Received: by mkfsrv01.ssd.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 07:38:34 -0500 Message-ID: <9690FB7EA92DD1118283006097A48F450358ACDF@clesrv01.ssd.com> From: "Troxell, James" To: "'wwebb@adni.net'" , Michael Sondow Cc: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Subject: RE: US-LIST -- Changing Structure Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 07:38:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I would love to remain on the list IF it can be digested. Otherwise there are far too many e-mail messages coming in recently. Please remove me if a digest option cannot be initiated for my account. James D. Troxell Squire, Sanders & Dempsey, L.L.P. 4900 Key Tower 127 Public Square Cleveland, OH 44114 e-mail = jtroxell@ssd.com v-mail = 216-479-8606 fax = 216-479-8780 (e-mail preferred) cell phone for urgent-only ($) calls 216-533-0390 -----Original Message----- From: wwebb@adni.net [mailto:wwebb@adni.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 9:47 PM To: Michael Sondow Cc: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Subject: Re: US-LIST -- Changing Structure This list may get shut-down and none of us know who else is on the list. Those on this list that would be interested in pursuing discussions on getting changes made to the US domain administration, please drop me a private e-mail. That way, if this list closes, I'll setup another list that will be open to the public. Thanks. Date sent: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:31:06 -0500 From: Michael Sondow To: wwebb@adni.net Copies to: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Subject: Re: US-LIST -- Changing Structure > wwebb@adni.net wrote: > > > > Well, if the NTIA is going to be actionless, perhaps we ought to > > see how many people on this list are ready to start writing their > > Senators and Congressmen to get something done. > > What do you say if we give the NTIA 24 hours to announce their > involvement here, before making a protest (to the list admin?) about > their having abandoned the subject and this list? > > HELLO OUT THERE! NTIA! ARE YOU THERE?! DO YOU EXIST? IS .US STILL > VIABLE? HELLO?! HELLO?! > > > ============================================================ > Michael Sondow I.C.I.I.U. http://www.iciiu.org > Tel. (718)846-7482 Fax: (603)754-8927 > ============================================================ > . Received: by msexch01.diebold.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) id ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:03:55 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Ketchum, Mark" To: "'us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov'" Subject: FW: remove Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:03:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" -----Original Message----- From: Jared Leinbach [mailto:jleinbach@pubtech.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 10:22 PM To: 'us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov' Subject: remove remove . Received: from Exchange_Server.newmarkre.com (firewall.newmarkre.com [207.86.99.190]) by newmarkre.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA12848; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:31:52 -0500 Received: by EXCHANGE_SERVER with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:27:49 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Bianchi, Nicole" To: "'wwebb@adni.net'" , us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Subject: RE: Does NTIA oversee the US domain ? Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:28:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" REMOVE ME IMMEDIATELY FROM YOUR EMAIL LIST nbianchi@newmarkre.com -----Original Message----- From: wwebb@adni.net [mailto:wwebb@adni.net] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 12:18 AM To: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Subject: Does NTIA oversee the US domain ? > The only explanation I can see is that the registry is no longer > staffed by competent people, if it's staffed at all. This really > shouldn't be too surprising, considering that it overlaps with IANA, > which is in a state of utter disarray since Postel died and ICANN > took over. At the nic.us site, there is a link to Future Management and Administration of the US Domain -- which is where we all signed-up to be on this mailing list -- and that is operated by the NTIA. So, is it the NTIA that has authority to make decisions about the US domain procedures ? . Received: by lndanmta01.pb.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 8525686C.004C3B4C ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:52:39 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: PBI From: "Jenny Hinsman" To: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Message-ID: <8525686C.004C3983.00@lndanmta01.pb.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:52:33 -0500 Subject: remove Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline remove . Received: from NTIA-Message_Server by Ntiahq4.ntia.doc.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:56:17 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:54:47 -0500 From: "Herschel Gelman" To: Subject: Re: OOOPS Sorry about that... HOW DO I GET REMOVED? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline To remove yourself from this mailing list, send an e-mail message to 'us-list-request@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov', with leave us-list in the body of the message. The subject line is ignored. If you have any problems, feel free to e-mail me for assistance. Herschel Gelman . Received: from panix7.panix.com (panix7.panix.com [166.84.0.232]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3B73106D; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:40:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from ronda@localhost) by panix7.panix.com (8.8.8/8.7.1/PanixN1.0) id JAA05194; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:40:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:40:35 -0500 (EST) From: Message-Id: <200001201440.JAA05194@panix7.panix.com> To: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov, wwebb@adni.net Subject: RE: Does NTIA oversee the US domain ? I'm not sure who originally posted the comment below, but it is important. >> The only explanation I can see is that the registry is no longer >> staffed by competent people, if it's staffed at all. This really >> shouldn't be too surprising, considering that it overlaps with IANA, >> which is in a state of utter disarray since Postel died and ICANN >> took over. And ICANN is in a state of disarray as well, as it has been created without any concern for the procedures and processes that are so essential to make the Internet function. Last night I tried to do a whois to find out who a domain name was registered with and instead I got a notice that there was competition in domain names. This gave me a flash of what is happening. It is as if there has suddenly been so called competition set up in license plates for automobiles and when one tries to find who a car is registered with, instead they are told there is competition in who one can register with. Therefore there is havoc on the roads as there is no responsiblity or integrity to the system of licensing the vehicles who use the road. So it is an important issue is who is responsible for the car, just as it is who is responsible for a domain name. But the crucial issue is that the integrity of the system is the most essential part. And this integrity relies on government fulfilling its function to make sure that there is a responsibility attached to a license plate number. That is what is needed for the integrity of the system. The country codes were a piece of the ability to connect the Internet with some geographic location. Principles like the integrity of the system, the geographic location being connected to the country code names,etc are important. The principles need to be clarified and understood, not thrown out. IANA needed to be protected, not thrown into the hands of those who had no understanding or interest in the integrity of the infrastructural components of the Internet. It would be good to see the kind of needed open discussion of the issues that need to be sorted through about the role of government in protecting the infrastructure of the Internet on this list. Ronda ronda@panix.com Does anyone know if there is an archive of this list at the NTIA web site? . Received: from e7k9e6 (adn-detroit-du1-ppp134.advdata.net [63.77.235.38]) by advdata.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06267; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:38:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001201538.KAA06267@advdata.net> From: wwebb@adni.net To: Jeff Williams Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:35:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Does NTIA oversee the US domain ? Reply-to: wwebb@adni.net CC: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov, Becky Burr , Elloit Maxwell , William Daley Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3886C770.AAA9451D@ix.netcom.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Thank you Jeff for the information. I agree with a prior message, we should certainly extend the courtesy to Ms. Burr and others at the DOC such that they should be given an opportunity to indicate they will resolve problems. If they choose to not to do so, then I will continue to collect names of those who will assist in Congress with getting some action. So far, I have received many private e- mails from those who are willing to help bring the necessary focus on the US domain problems. Bill Webb > Wwebb and all, > > In a word, Yes. Contact Becky Burr NTIA or Elliot Maxwell. > Neither one of them know what they are really doing or much > about registering a domain name in .US name Space, but they > are in charge. >;) Their boss is Secretary of Commerce > William F. Daley. And he doesn't have a clue on the specifics > of .US either I am sure.. E-Mail addresses are in the CC list. > Good luck and gods speed! > > wwebb@adni.net wrote: > > > > The only explanation I can see is that the registry is no longer > > > staffed by competent people, if it's staffed at all. This really > > > shouldn't be too surprising, considering that it overlaps with IANA, > > > which is in a state of utter disarray since Postel died and ICANN > > > took over. > > > > At the nic.us site, there is a link to Future Management and > > Administration of the US Domain -- which is where we all signed-up > > to be on this mailing list -- and that is operated by the NTIA. So, is > > it the NTIA that has authority to make decisions about the US > > domain procedures ? > > Regards, > > -- > Jeffrey A. Williams > Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!) > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. > E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com > Contact Number: 972-447-1894 > Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 > > > > . 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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF6332.E34185E0-- . Received: from kstudio ([32.100.241.38]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000012015542623901sjaj5e>; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:54:27 +0000 Message-ID: <001a01bf635c$f59b4d00$26f16420@kstudio> From: "Art and Jewelry Studio" To: , References: <01BF62CB.9864F6E0.jleinbach@pubtech.com> Subject: Re: remove Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:42:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Koschetzki art@banet.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Jared Leinbach To: Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 10:21 PM Subject: remove > remove > . Received: from NTIA-Message_Server by Ntiahq4.ntia.doc.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:48:14 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:47:31 -0500 From: "Herschel Gelman" To: , Subject: Re: remove Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I've manually removed you from the list. Herschel >>> "Jenny Hinsman" 01/20 8:52 AM >>> remove . Received: from NTIA-Message_Server by Ntiahq4.ntia.doc.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:56:00 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:54:32 -0500 From: "Herschel Gelman" To: Subject: Re: remove Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline My apologies for sending that reply to the whole list. I really *do* know = how to use my e-mail client, believe it or not. :) Once again, to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to = "us-list-request@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov" (NOT us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov) = with "leave us-list" in the body of the message. If you would like to switch to digested mode, where you receive one digest = each day, send an e-mail to "us-list-request@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov" with = "digest us-list" in the body. >>> "Herschel Gelman" 01/20 10:47 AM >>> I've manually removed you from the list. Herschel . Received: from iciiu.org (216.m62.mon.catskill.net [209.177.41.216]) by lucy.catskill.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26839; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:04:41 -0500 Message-ID: <38878648.2A195DEF@iciiu.org> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:03:52 -0500 From: Michael Sondow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Herschel Gelman CC: "dotUS-America's ccTLD" Subject: the dotUS list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mr. Gelman- I take it from your messages regarding list removal that you are the list administrator. If you are, I wonder if you could tell me: 1) Has this list been intentionally extended beyond the August, 1999, dealine for submission to the NTIA of comments on .us? If so, will it continue indefinitely? 2) Is there a list command for getting a list of all the subscribers? This would be nice to have, in the event this list is terminated and we want to continue the discussion (as someone has suggested). ============================================================ Michael Sondow I.C.I.I.U. http://www.iciiu.org Tel. (718)846-7482 Fax: (603)754-8927 ============================================================ . Received: from ix.netcom.com (user-33qse8j.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.57.19]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA03410; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:50:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3887AAEF.107B2B2D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 16:40:16 -0800 From: Jeff Williams Organization: INEGroup Spokesman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov CC: wwebb@adni.net, Becky Burr , Elloit Maxwell , William Daley , commerce , ecommerce , ecommercecommission Public comments Subject: Re: Does NTIA oversee the US domain ? References: <200001201538.KAA06267@advdata.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill and all, You are quite welcome Bill. Let me know if there is anything else that I may be able to assist you with in this effort. Also let me warn or inform you that Becky Burr is not very receptive as I have chatted with her on the phone on other related DNSO issues as well as ICANN/DNSO issues as well. wwebb@adni.net wrote: > Thank you Jeff for the information. I agree with a prior message, > we should certainly extend the courtesy to Ms. Burr and others at > the DOC such that they should be given an opportunity to indicate > they will resolve problems. If they choose to not to do so, then I > will continue to collect names of those who will assist in Congress > with getting some action. So far, I have received many private e- > mails from those who are willing to help bring the necessary focus > on the US domain problems. > > Bill Webb > > > Wwebb and all, > > > > In a word, Yes. Contact Becky Burr NTIA or Elliot Maxwell. > > Neither one of them know what they are really doing or much > > about registering a domain name in .US name Space, but they > > are in charge. >;) Their boss is Secretary of Commerce > > William F. Daley. And he doesn't have a clue on the specifics > > of .US either I am sure.. E-Mail addresses are in the CC list. > > Good luck and gods speed! > > > > wwebb@adni.net wrote: > > > > > > The only explanation I can see is that the registry is no longer > > > > staffed by competent people, if it's staffed at all. This really > > > > shouldn't be too surprising, considering that it overlaps with IANA, > > > > which is in a state of utter disarray since Postel died and ICANN > > > > took over. > > > > > > At the nic.us site, there is a link to Future Management and > > > Administration of the US Domain -- which is where we all signed-up > > > to be on this mailing list -- and that is operated by the NTIA. So, is > > > it the NTIA that has authority to make decisions about the US > > > domain procedures ? > > > > Regards, > > > > -- > > Jeffrey A. Williams > > Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!) > > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. > > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. > > E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com > > Contact Number: 972-447-1894 > > Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 > > > > > > > > Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 . Received: from samca (HSE-Toronto-ppp96211.sympatico.ca [216.209.61.96]) by sousa.siteprotect.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA26379 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 16:59:19 -0600 From: "Sam Seidman, CA" To: Subject: REMOVE FROM LIST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:58:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3887AAEF.107B2B2D@ix.netcom.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Please take me off this list Thanks Sam Seidman -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com] Sent: January 20, 2000 7:40 PM To: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Cc: wwebb@adni.net; Becky Burr; Elloit Maxwell; William Daley; commerce; ecommerce; ecommercecommission Public comments Subject: Re: Does NTIA oversee the US domain ? Bill and all, You are quite welcome Bill. Let me know if there is anything else that I may be able to assist you with in this effort. Also let me warn or inform you that Becky Burr is not very receptive as I have chatted with her on the phone on other related DNSO issues as well as ICANN/DNSO issues as well. wwebb@adni.net wrote: > Thank you Jeff for the information. I agree with a prior message, > we should certainly extend the courtesy to Ms. Burr and others at > the DOC such that they should be given an opportunity to indicate > they will resolve problems. If they choose to not to do so, then I > will continue to collect names of those who will assist in Congress > with getting some action. So far, I have received many private e- > mails from those who are willing to help bring the necessary focus > on the US domain problems. > > Bill Webb > > > Wwebb and all, > > > > In a word, Yes. Contact Becky Burr NTIA or Elliot Maxwell. > > Neither one of them know what they are really doing or much > > about registering a domain name in .US name Space, but they > > are in charge. >;) Their boss is Secretary of Commerce > > William F. Daley. And he doesn't have a clue on the specifics > > of .US either I am sure.. E-Mail addresses are in the CC list. > > Good luck and gods speed! > > > > wwebb@adni.net wrote: > > > > > > The only explanation I can see is that the registry is no longer > > > > staffed by competent people, if it's staffed at all. This really > > > > shouldn't be too surprising, considering that it overlaps with IANA, > > > > which is in a state of utter disarray since Postel died and ICANN > > > > took over. > > > > > > At the nic.us site, there is a link to Future Management and > > > Administration of the US Domain -- which is where we all signed-up > > > to be on this mailing list -- and that is operated by the NTIA. So, is > > > it the NTIA that has authority to make decisions about the US > > > domain procedures ? > > > > Regards, > > > > -- > > Jeffrey A. Williams > > Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!) > > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. > > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. > > E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com > > Contact Number: 972-447-1894 > > Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 > > > > > > > > Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 . Received: from default ([209.12.237.232]) by mail.zebra.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id net; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:31:12 -0600 Message-ID: <003101bf6372$c13ec080$e8ed0cd1@default> From: "RJ" To: , , Subject: Re: Does NTIA oversee the US domain ? Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:18:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 duhuh -----Original Message----- From: ronda@panix.com To: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov ; wwebb@adni.net Date: Thursday, January 20, 2000 2:40 PM Subject: RE: Does NTIA oversee the US domain ? >I'm not sure who originally posted the comment below, but it >is important. > >>> The only explanation I can see is that the registry is no longer >>> staffed by competent people, if it's staffed at all. This really >>> shouldn't be too surprising, considering that it overlaps with IANA, >>> which is in a state of utter disarray since Postel died and ICANN >>> took over. > >And ICANN is in a state of disarray as well, as it has been created >without any concern for the procedures and processes that are so >essential to make the Internet function. > >Last night I tried to do a whois to find out who a domain name >was registered with and instead I got a notice that there >was competition in domain names. > >This gave me a flash of what is happening. It is as if there >has suddenly been so called competition set up in license >plates for automobiles and when one tries to find who a car >is registered with, instead they are told there is competition >in who one can register with. Therefore there is havoc on the >roads as there is no responsiblity or integrity to the system >of licensing the vehicles who use the road. > >So it is an important issue is who is responsible for the car, >just as it is who is responsible for a domain name. > >But the crucial issue is that the integrity of the system >is the most essential part. > >And this integrity relies on government fulfilling its >function to make sure that there is a responsibility >attached to a license plate number. > >That is what is needed for the integrity of the system. > >The country codes were a piece of the ability to connect >the Internet with some geographic location. > >Principles like the integrity of the system, the geographic >location being connected to the country code names,etc are >important. > >The principles need to be clarified and understood, not >thrown out. > >IANA needed to be protected, not thrown into the hands of >those who had no understanding or interest in the integrity >of the infrastructural components of the Internet. > >It would be good to see the kind of needed open discussion >of the issues that need to be sorted through about the >role of government in protecting the infrastructure of >the Internet on this list. > >Ronda >ronda@panix.com > >Does anyone know if there is an archive of this list at the NTIA web >site? > > . Received: from katti40 (katti40.law.helsinki.fi [128.214.145.148]) by post.it.helsinki.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3-SPAMmers-sod-off) with SMTP id JAA25133; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:43:38 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <000c01bf631a$10fc4150$9491d680@katti40.pc.helsinki.fi> From: "Veijo Heiskanen" To: , "Peter Benjamin" Subject: Re: support for your_name.city.state.us issue Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:43:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01BF632A.D4498EF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BF632A.D4498EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Given the current state of the .us domain, it is interesting to note that the EU is planning to create a new European-wide top level domain .eu, which is essentially a "federal" ccTLD, very much like the .us. Attached a press release about the plan. There are no details on how precisely the domain will be structured, i.e., whether there will be sub-domains for commercial and other functions, like under .uk, for instance. Veijo Heiskanen -----Original Message----- From: Peter Benjamin To: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Date: 20. tammikuuta 2000 8:15 Subject: support for your_name.city.state.us issue > >Just to generate some discussion on somethings >that would help me out > >I'd like to see discussion on allowing the format > > your_name.city.state.us > >where your_name is *whatever* you asked for. >I think your_name is currently restricted to the >name of one the host computer. 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Received: from iciiu.org (156.m62.mon.catskill.net [209.177.41.156]) by lucy.catskill.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03120; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:59:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3887CB80.E703575B@iciiu.org> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:59:12 -0500 From: Michael Sondow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Veijo Heiskanen CC: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Subject: Re:EU Domain References: <000c01bf631a$10fc4150$9491d680@katti40.pc.helsinki.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You wrote: > > Given the current state of the .us domain, it is > interesting to note that the EU is planning to create a > new European-wide top level domain .eu, which is > essentially a "federal" ccTLD, very much like the .us. Will it be subdivided, Veijo, into national SLDs, with the form "country-code.eu"? ============================================================ Michael Sondow I.C.I.I.U. http://www.iciiu.org Tel. (718)846-7482 Fax: (603)754-8927 ============================================================ . Received: from CJ52269A ([24.10.226.181]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <20000121031146.GPTH21783.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@CJ52269A> for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:11:46 -0800 Reply-To: From: "domainiac" Cc: Subject: RE: EU Domain Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:12:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000601bf63bd$619644f0$b5e20a18@alex1.va.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3887CB80.E703575B@iciiu.org> >Will it be subdivided, Veijo, into national SLDs, with the form >"country-code.eu"? It will be example.street.zipcode.city.com.country-code.eu . Received: from iciiu.org (156.m62.mon.catskill.net [209.177.41.156]) by lucy.catskill.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04813; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:58:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3887D91F.4B1CC026@iciiu.org> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:57:19 -0500 From: Michael Sondow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: domainiac@home.com CC: us-list@ntiant1.ntia.doc.gov Subject: Re: EU Domain References: <000601bf63bd$619644f0$b5e20a18@alex1.va.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit domainiac wrote: > > It will be example.street.zipcode.city.com.country-code.eu That's quite funny, actually. Probably the same thing will happen if the USG gives .us to the Post Office. Do you think they'll have a separate level for apartment numbers, as in: name.street.apartment#.zipcode.village.town.county.state.country.eu ? ============================================================ Michael Sondow I.C.I.I.U. http://www.iciiu.org Tel. (718)846-7482 Fax: (603)754-8927 ============================================================ .